DSE-VP-CC-002 Gen V Catch Can Kit Group Buy

[SSGNRDZ_28]

There has been quite a bit of interest in the Gen V catch can solution. The design is finalized and I’m ready to begin production and would like to kick things off with a group buy. This will serve to lower the price for everyone and also help fund the production.

These kits are complete including catch can(s), clamping bracket(s), fitting(s), adapter(s), caps, ty-wraps, etc. All the end user needs to do is determine the best location for their can(s), install, and cut the hoses length. The kits will work on all Gen V Vipers and offer multiple mounting locations for flexibility with other aftermarket items such as damper canisters.

To participate in the group buy please pay via my website prior to the cutoff date (Nov 6).

Estimated Timeline (subject to delays beyond my control):

Deadline to commit to group purchase: Nov 6 (please order via website or contact for other means of payment).
Estimated ship dates beginning with prepaid orders: Week of Nov 30

Shipping costs (USPS Priority Mail): $15

The website is ready for prepay orders; there are multiple links setup depending on your configuration.

http://dougshelbyengineering.com/Viper.html

These kits will also be available through Woodhouse and Viper Exchange should you want to have them installed before the car leaves the dealership. If so please contact Mark or Andy to purchase.

Original thread:

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads...-DSE-VP-CC-002

Installation Instructions:

http://dougshelbyengineering.com/upl...an_Kits_R9.pdf

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Thanks,
Doug

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

Awesome , So Which Set Up Will I Need For The 16 Car I Have Coming In , Open Or Closed System ??? Single Or Dual Cans ?? I'm Thinking The Dual Input , Vented Is The Way To Go.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

All versions will install on all years. The only change to 2016 was the driver side valve cover plumbing exit location. This means there is less of a chance of oil getting from the valve cover to the air filter on 2016+.

The main decision is vented or sealed and that is personal preference depending on how you will use the car. Vented vents the fumes into the atmosphere and sealed keeps the PCV system intact but collects the oil and keeps the manifold / air filter clean. ACR-X used a vented design and this is the preference for heavy track use. I would use a sealed design for a street only car.

If you choose sealed on a 2016+ you can probably get away with a single passenger side can and keep an eye on the air filter. If there was an issue for some reason you could always add the driver side can later. If I had a 2013-2015 and wanted a sealed system I would get dual cans just due to the possible oil on the air filter during some driving conditions.

If you choose vented you will take care of both sides with one can.

Hope this helps, there is more information in the installation guide.

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

Thx , Sealed System Single Can , Order Placed !!!! Now I Just Need My ACR.

[KB Viper]

All versions will install on all years. The only change to 2016 was the driver side valve cover plumbing exit location. This means there is less of a chance of oil getting from the valve cover to the air filter on 2016+.

The main decision is vented or sealed and that is personal preference depending on how you will use the car. Vented vents the fumes into the atmosphere and sealed keeps the PCV system intact but collects the oil and keeps the manifold / air filter clean. ACR-X used a vented design and this is the preference for heavy track use. I would use a sealed design for a street only car.

If you choose sealed on a 2016+ you can probably get away with a single passenger side can and keep an eye on the air filter. If there was an issue for some reason you could always add the driver side can later. If I had a 2013-2015 and wanted a sealed system I would get dual cans just due to the possible oil on the air filter during some driving conditions.

If you choose vented you will take care of both sides with one can.

Hope this helps, there is more information in the installation guide.

Doug--awesome set up, i'm ready to order but have one question. when you say the vented can is best for heavy track use and the sealed is good for a street car which would you say i need if i have a 14 that i use as a DD but track it 3 maybe 4 times a year?
Kris

[SSGNRDZ_28]

- Both systems reduce oil entering the intake manifold / airbox and therefore reduce detonation / carbon build-up, oil mixing with fuel causing reduced fuel octane, reduced performance, reduced MPG, etc.

- Both systems condense and separate oil / water / fuel from the blow by gasses and collect them in the can. The difference is what happens to the gasses once the majority of the oil/water have been removed.

Sealed
- Gasses are put back into the engine
- No chance for fumes
- Quicker and easier to remove for emissions inspections as needed


Vented / Breather
- Vents the gasses into the atmosphere "Off Road Use Only"
- The venting relieves excess pressure / drag on the engine under high load and RPM
- Possible fumes
- Slightly more time consuming to return to stock for emissions testing as needed


Many of us use the cars for both the track and the street so which type of can you purchase depends on the ratio of track to street and your personal preference. If you want maximum performance and don’t care about possible fumes, emissions, venting into the atmosphere go for the vented. If you want to keep the emissions system intact and want 0% chance of fumes go with one of the sealed setups.

I think locating a vented can on the side near the gills would evacuate the fumes well but I’m not sure if the air would be taken in with a window down. Certainly locating the can on the side will cool it and allow for more effective condensation of the sludge.

To answer your question, Kris, in my opinion for a daily driver I would use a sealed system. I would probably only go vented once the car usage was more track than street.

[TrackratViper]

This is exactly what I have been looking for. Ordered placed.

[KB Viper]

thanks for the response Doug, placing order for sealed version now.

[sharmut]

Doug,

What is the service internal?

https://www.radiumauto.com/Universal...-Can-P289.aspx

[SSGNRDZ_28]

sharmut,

The Radium can I originally made a prototype bracket for was abandoned due to the size and fitting arrangement. I needed to find something smaller and I also needed to find a dual input vented solution. What is included now is as follows:

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The design is a bit different from most out there. Air coming in is directed in a rotational pattern by the deflector on the input port to give it more time to condense on the baffle. The aluminum baffle promotes condensation but also serves to contain the liquid at the bottom of the can during track running. Finally the air exiting the can is filtered by a 50 micron bronze filter. There is also threaded plug at the bottom that could be removed for a drain / valve but the can is easy to check and drain by unscrewing the base. All of the components are removable and washable.

The can is not of a DSE design but extensive engineering went into it. Is produced by Mishimoto and if you’d like to learn about the design and testing efforts that went into providing the best can possible you can read this blog: http://engineering.mishimoto.com/?cat=124

To adapt this can to the Viper application I’ve obviously designed the aluminum clamping bracket, but not so obviously custom black anodized aluminum fittings will be included in the kit. I couldn’t find everything I needed for a fitting on the market in a material that was suitable so the hose barb splices and PCV eliminator are of DSE design. As a result everything is either stainless steel or aluminum. I didn’t want anything in mild steel or plastic or parts that were too large, and this gave me an opportunity to design the perfect parts in some cases cheaper than a commercially available part.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

I also had an inquiry for two single input vented cans. The idea was to put one on each side to keep things symmetrical but to also avoid hoses crossing the engine bay. The result is about 3 feet of hose total vs 8 or 10 feet. I've added it to the website in case anyone might be interested. Needless to say custom options are available so just PM or email me if you want something that isn't shown.

[TexasTonka]

I had ordered a single dual inlet vented can but like teh idea of two seperate vented cans, this shoudl really help vent the gases better with using one on each bank. Can I chnage my order and how?

[SSGNRDZ_28]

I had ordered a single dual inlet vented can but like teh idea of two seperate vented cans, this shoudl really help vent the gases better with using one on each bank. Can I chnage my order and how?

Yes, no problem. I'll refund you and you can just order the kit on the website.

[TexasTonka]

Yes, no problem. I'll refund you and you can just order the kit on the website.

Just confirmed payment for the dual vented cans.

Thank you Doug, always great working with you. Fantastic customer service at every transaction.

[sharmut]

After doing a bit more research online and running into the Mishimoto, design glad to hear the radium didn't work out and moved to the Mishimoto.

[Jack B]

Is there a drain option

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Is there a drain option

I can look into it, are you just looking for a valve or a hose setup kit, etc.

The bottom is easy to unscrew and pour, the drain would be only slightly more convenient.

[caseyse]

I can look into it, are you just looking for a valve or a hose setup kit, etc.

The bottom is easy to unscrew and pour, the drain would be only slightly more convenient.

I have already placed my order, but would love a petcock (maybe a petcock w. elbow outlet). I like wedging a used oil container under the can to drain, avoiding drips with the screw off bottom.

[Simms]

Definitely in, just need to decide the exact setup.

[FSTENUF]

Definitely in, just need to decide the exact setup.

Let me know and I will order the same set up.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

I have already placed my order, but would love a petcock (maybe a petcock w. elbow outlet). I like wedging a used oil container under the can to drain, avoiding drips with the screw off bottom.

I will find a small valve for the bottom. Since the entire can bottom screws off that may end up being less of a mess in some situations plus you can inspect the fluid level. It would probably actually be quicker to just unscrew the can. image2[1].jpg

There also may not leave much room to fit a container under the can so you might be looking at a hose, etc. for not much, if any added convenience.
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[caseyse]

I see, there is no room to dump into a container. Screwing off the bottom looks like the best option.

[SilveRT8]

I see, there is no room to dump into a container. Screwing off the bottom looks like the best option.

Screw that !

[donk_316]

Can these mounts be used on a different can?

I really would prefer to use a RX catch can. They come in single and dual in AND sealed. They also come with a petcock and drain hose. Also they are easily the best designed can out there.

Vented is nearly useless. I believe the sealed system is actually a better system as it creates an upper engine "vacuum" as the air is sucked through the can and into the intake. No deposits on the intake as the RX takes everything out of the air.

You drain it every other fuel up or whatever and youre golden. I drain mine into a coffee cup and toss it in the garbage at the gas station!

http://www.rxspeedworks.com/product/catch-can-kits/

Ive used these... everything else is just some mesh or stainless steel wool in a can.

From their site:

Some years back there was a University of Maine study on Oil separating catch cans, back then we were known as RevXtreme. The study showed that your average catch can like the one shown above that can be purchased for under $100 is about 15% efficient at catching foul vapors. Then your higher end catch cans were about 45-55% when connected in between the PCV and intake manifold. The RX catch can with a clean side separator to alleviate air flow restriction and a secondary vacuum connection was above 90% effective. Today, years later it’s the same story.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Can these mounts be used on a different can?

I really would prefer to use a RX catch can. They come in single and dual in AND sealed. They also come with a petcock and drain hose. Also they are easily the best designed can out there.

Vented is nearly useless. I believe the sealed system is actually a better system as it creates an upper engine "vacuum" as the air is sucked through the can and into the intake. No deposits on the intake as the RX takes everything out of the air.

You drain it every other fuel up or whatever and youre golden. I drain mine into a coffee cup and toss it in the garbage at the gas station!

http://www.rxspeedworks.com/product/catch-can-kits/

Ive used these... everything else is just some mesh or stainless steel wool in a can.

From their site:

Some years back there was a University of Maine study on Oil separating catch cans, back then we were known as RevXtreme. The study showed that your average catch can like the one shown above that can be purchased for under $100 is about 15% efficient at catching foul vapors. Then your higher end catch cans were about 45-55% when connected in between the PCV and intake manifold. The RX catch can with a clean side separator to alleviate air flow restriction and a secondary vacuum connection was above 90% effective. Today, years later it’s the same story.

Certainly the Rx can is a good product, I considered it for this application, but so is the Mishimoto can I’m offering. There’s a lot of information in this thread about the Mishimoto engineering efforts.

The disadvantage of the Rx can for the Gen V Viper application is its overall size and layout. This is only due to space limitations within the engine bay, etc.. Rx mentions this is an advantage due to better oil separation which is true, however, the Mishimoto can utilizes a brass filter instead of size to promote complete filtering of contaminants from the air.

There are a lot of good posts and threads on this forum about catch cans. Some have done their own which is always an option. As you have mentioned multiple times, you want to use an Rx can on your Viper. Unfortunately the bracket I’ve designed won’t work with the Rx can, but I'm sure if you order a Rx can test fit with your Viper you can get something to work.

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Screw that !

There is a generic drain kit offered by Mishimoto and I’m sure it will work for those set on having one. I’m happy to add this to my website at cost and include it for those who want one. I can also supply a mini ball valve, which I have ordered for evaluation, but again, space limitations for the Viper are a consideration. Another option is to do your own, the thread is 3/8 NPT at the bottom of the can.

http://www.mishimoto.com/compact-baf...drain-kit.html