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    It was just for the sample. It was changed for the recalls. Before that it was changed at 500 miles and then at 1,500 for a track day.

    And I just wanted a baseline since I've had the Arrow unit from the start. Not planning on changing until 3k miles or the next track day.

    To add to that.... if my car doesn't show signs of debris that has caused other cars to spin bearings, it should make the case better for the Arrow PCM not causing engine failure!
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    I remember back when the R28 was issues, basically, somewhere it was stated mileage on the oil shouldn't matter. If there were debris, it would show even on fresh oil. Maybe.....

    But I agree, perhaps that's why a couple R28 passes have failed later.
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    I agree. Not really time sensitive. If there is debris in the engine and it has found its way into a crevice or has stuck to something during casting, it may never free itself to cause an issue. On the other hand, it could be sitting waiting for the factory oil fill and start floating around immediately, ready to attack your bearings during your first drive. A little bit of wear-in debris is normal and should collect in the filter right away.

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    Here's a reply from Blackstone on my short interval oil sample.....

    Hi, Eric. Thanks for the email.

    Yes, if there was a serious issue, we'd expect metals to be reading high,
    even on a short oil run like this.
    Obviously, some metals will build up
    more over time if you run longer on future oil change intervals, so we'll
    have to see if the trends show wear metals holding steady even after longer
    oil change intervals, but as for what we can see in this report, there's no
    evidence of bearing wear or any other issues at this point. It looks great!


    Hope that helps. Let me know if there's anything else we can do for you.
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    So, this is somewhat interesting...

    High initial levels of metal after the first oil change at 1,834 miles on the factory fill for the initial break-in. Changed it to 15W50 for mostly track use and now that it's up for the winter, sent the sample to Blackstone. Overall, metals improved except for aluminum which actually increased. Not really sure what this portends but oil levels have been fine ever since delivery.


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    Just got mine. All break-in done by the book. Will be interested to see the next report at 1000miles!

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    Here's my second Blackstone report. This was Pennzoil 0w-40 and had 725 miles on the oil. Car had 1700 on it. Now I went back to Mobil One for no particular reason. Everything looks normal apparently, no excess metals for what that's worth.


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    Second engine. This oil added at 2500 and changed at 3500

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    Ben, seems like they were a little concerned (??) about the Al and Fe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by swexlin View Post
    Ben, seems like they were a little concerned (??) about the Al and Fe?
    Yeah, its pretty high I'll check again in 1000 miles.
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    I wonder if anyone has ever received a really disturbing report from them, it seems like all the "comments" they provide are kind of generic.
    Basically everybody looks within normal range and keep sending samples in lol.

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    Just read a fantastic thread on an unrelated forum suggesting that blackstone wasn't the best place to go for things like this.

    Quoted from RZR forums - "Yep, don't guess. Use an ASTM certified lab as well. Don't use Blackstone, they aren't accurate with fuel dilution and aren't ASTM certified."
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    I was in the diesel truck scene for many years, and all my truck buddies swear by them. But it does indeed seem like they say, well, we saw cat pee in the oil, but this could be normal, let's just see next sample, LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by donk_316 View Post
    Just read a fantastic thread on an unrelated forum suggesting that blackstone wasn't the best place to go for things like this.

    Quoted from RZR forums - "Yep, don't guess. Use an ASTM certified lab as well. Don't use Blackstone, they aren't accurate with fuel dilution and aren't ASTM certified."
    Did they suggest any companies?
    You're rapidly becoming the biggest asshat on the forum and that covers a lot of ground. Congrats. -ViperJon

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    I still have the old oil. Id be curious to get a second opinion on the same sample.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Ron View Post
    Here is mine...Not sure how to make it any larger. Why is the Molybdenum so high yet they say no worries or issues? The car had 2 oil changes prior to this sample being submitted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by City View Post
    Guys, this is simple and we have a step by step "how to":
    http://driveviper.com/forums/threads...-instructions!
    Perfect, I had to have Viper Jon post my results as I could not make results large enough to read....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperJon View Post
    I wonder if anyone has ever received a really disturbing report from them, it seems like all the "comments" they provide are kind of generic.
    Basically everybody looks within normal range and keep sending samples in lol.
    My aluminum numbers were off the chart compared to the other reports that have been posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darrahc View Post
    My aluminum numbers were off the chart compared to the other reports that have been posted.
    Id be curious to see test results from an unhealthy engine beginning to fail so we can see through the happy sunshine analysis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJG32 View Post
    Id be curious to see test results from an unhealthy engine beginning to fail so we can see through the happy sunshine analysis.
    Agree.

    After time as more people post their results the likelihood of seeing an engine failure goes up. Guess we won't know much until that time.
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    Here's my analysis. I estimated the the oil added during the time period at 2 qts, but some of it may have been before I standardized myself on how I read the stick. I'm also not entirely positive how much I actually added because I didn't log it. The engine definitely used more oil early on, but now the useage seems significantly reduced if not non-existent. Regardless, the report looks fine so far as I can tell.
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    George, this was at the initial 500 mile change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by swexlin View Post
    George, this was at the initial 500 mile change?
    Yes, the first oil change, exactly 500 miles on the clock.
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    I had figured that the silicon would be high as I used a new syphon pump to draw the oil sample up through the dipstick tube. The pump's draw tube is made from a rubber/silicon material and drawing hot oil up through it probably didn't help. Also not sure what the pump was lubricated with from the factory but it had some type of light oil on it.
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