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    Quote Originally Posted by AZTVR View Post
    I was reading a discussion on another forum about 50-50 versus 40-60 and the advantages of the rear mid-engine for racing. It got way too technical for me to follow without doing some heavy research. I did not do all that well in the one mechanical engineering class that I had to take in college, which was Statics and Dynamics. My head starts to spin when they start talking vectors and polar moment of inertia, etc.

    The Engineering Explained guy does have a good cursory look at the weight distribution question, here: https://youtu.be/vJhhUQ4OpLA

    Thanks, yes it's way over my head.. lol!! I was reading a bit about it as well and it seems like that tends to be quite the topic on several forums. I guess there's plus's and minus's to either.... and I'm sure it depends a lot on the driver as well. I guess if your use to driving a Viper or a C7, you'll have a learning curve with the C8. Just one more thing to think about before tracking one.

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    If rear bias is so good maybe we should just throw 300 lbs in our trunks. It would change a Gen V from 50/50 to 46/54 and at 3650 lbs it would weigh about what the C8 will weigh. Lol.

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    If rear bias is so good maybe we should just throw 300 lbs in our trunks. Lol.
    This could be called the Kardashian’ modification........

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    When talking performance driving, what really matters is weight distribution during braking and acceleration. A rear weight bias during braking evens out meaning all 4 tires are used more evenly to maximize braking grip. Ideally you want 50/50 during braking. During acceleration, most of the weight shifts to the rear which is what you want for grip during acceleration.

    50/50 static doesnt mean anything because a properly driven car at the track should never be coasting or static. 50/50 is straight up marketing BS
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    spring rates, sway bars, tires size / contact patch profile which all often vary between front and rear will dictate and have a more profound effect on grip and turn-in characteristics...then minor difference in weight distribution ratios. The former is is all tuned to the resulting weight distribution...

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    full pricing:
    https://www.chevrolet.com/content/da...ricing_PDF.pdf

    1LT: 60k
    2LT: 67.3k
    3LT: 72k

    Theres a ton of options but heres the main ones:
    Z51 Package: $5000
    Magnetic suspension: $1900
    Front axle lift: $1500
    Certain Paints: $500-1000
    performance exhaust: $1200
    GT2 Seats: $1500
    Wheels: $1000-1500
    Seatbelt colors: $400
    Calipers $600
    Racing Strips: $1000
    Exterior accents: ranges from $1000 to $5000
    Engine Appearance: $1000

    note to get access to some of the custom interior colors, you have to go 3LT minimum. 1LT only has 3 interior choices, 2LT has 4, 3LT has 10
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    From Jalopnik:
    Total different market/styling appeal. IMHO

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    My C8 came in at $67,200. I didn't add any of the "fluff" alot of guys are adding. I ordered 1LT, Z51, upgraded wheels, red calipers. That's it. Alot of bang for the buck IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capevettes View Post
    My C8 came in at $67,200. I didn't add any of the "fluff" alot of guys are adding. I ordered 1LT, Z51, upgraded wheels, red calipers. That's it. Alot of bang for the buck IMO.
    I'm no Vette guy, but I thought the magnetic suspension would be on your list. Not worth it? Where does the magnetic suspension help, track or street?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ticklechicken View Post
    I'm no Vette guy, but I thought the magnetic suspension would be on your list. Not worth it? Where does the magnetic suspension help, track or street?
    I've had Z51 with and without mag ride. The difference is almost imperceptible. It does soften the ride a bit in Tour mode on the street. The theory behind mag ride is that it senses the changes in the road surface and maintains a better contact patch with the tires. I have it in my current C7 Z06 (M7). It is a fantastic car on the track. I do think the Mag ride insulates the driver a bit from the road feel, but that's just my opinion. Some share it and some disagree. To me, the almost 2 grand for mag ride wasn't worth it. I made a conscious decision to keep the price down and the car light. I plan to move on in a couple of years to the Z06 anyway.

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    price hike for 2021? They have done it in the past within just a few months of release. Dont get too excited over the price. +$4000 from 2014 to 2015 is a pretty substantial price hike. They've done it in the past, dont say no one warned you.

    https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...tingray-price/

    The previous-generation Corvette Stingray originally started life as a $51,995 machine in 2014. A few months later, the price jumped to $53,993, then to $55,995 in 2015. There's a pattern here, and if demand for the C8 Corvette is as high as Chevy thinks it will be, the $59,995 price isn't likely to stick around long
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    Z06 will be TT Flat Plane Crank V8. https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-c...UBLn5q1nsVMPvU
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    Now that is what makes so much sense , and frankly with all the new EV craze I still figure the real future is in Hybrids ------ gasoline engine for range, recharging of the batteries, and extreme power for vehicles like the Corvette. The technology from F1 just carries over and in the next ten years it would not be unfeasible for a car to self generate power from the use of multiple energy systems ( electric, gasoline, solar, etc. ). Just my thoughts , but somehow I think things will evolve into the realm of super power and efficiency long before autonomous ever comes to real fruition.

    Thanks for posting the Motor Trend news article.
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    Looks like they still have a few over/understeer bugs to fix:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/auto...oth/ar-BBXCUjw
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    Interesting commentary from Randy , thanks for sharing !
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    Quote Originally Posted by commandomatt View Post
    This could be called the Kardashian’ modification........
    Lol, you must keep up with them cause I'd have Never known how to spell their last name!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan Savage View Post
    Oh, I don't know about that. You can bet your buttocks there were some serious fights among the C8 team about whether or not a mid-engined car could still be a Corvette. Regardless of whether Zora wanted one or not, the car has been FR-layout for sixty years. Chevy knows dad gum well the first customers are the loyal ones, so that's the core group you don't want to upset. You can use any name you want on a car if you're chasing new customers. You stick to legacy to appease the purists. What if Chrysler had produced the ME412 anyway but called it a Viper? There'd have been OUTRAGE!!!

    I think the Gen V didn't make it because there's just not enough of an existing customer base to keep a car afloat. It was too expensive and didn't have enough options. What's Corvette always offered, straight from the factory?? Hard top, targa, convertible, Manuel, and automatic gearboxes, in any trim or combination you want. Viper?? Oh, you want a targa? Send it to Prefix and that will be $10k, wait, $15k, wait, $20k... nevermind. Oh, you want a convertible? That'll be $30,000, we're only making ten, and you can't bring the car you already bought in for a conversion. You want an automatic? Get bent, noob.

    The Viper program couldn't afford to offer all those options, as it's always been a loss-leader. Other Viper things would have come, but selling so few cars, it was doomed from the start.

    The C8 will FLY off the shelves. Chevy won't be able to keep up production, and they'll be selling for 30% higher than MSRP. A bunch of people on these forums will buy them too. Wait and see.
    And just like Always, you'll see them on Every other corner & for sale on Every USED car lot! NO Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    And just like Always, you'll see them on Every other corner & for sale on Every USED car lot! NO Thanks
    So what if they are everywhere? It's still a hell of a car at a great price. Too bad Dodge didn't have a similar business model. The Viper would still be alive. In a perfect world you have both.

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    Too bad Dodge didn't have a similar business model. The Viper would still be alive. In a perfect world you have both.
    IMO one of the great things about the Viper was the fact there were no entry level versions with watered down motors that "look" like the faster ones ala Grandsport/ZR1. When you saw a Viper of whatever generation it was the real deal. And only a manual. Yes there are suspension and aero variants between the base and ACR-E for example but they all start with the same motor in a six speed manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperJon View Post
    IMO one of the great things about the Viper was the fact there were no entry level versions with watered down motors that "look" like the faster ones ala Grandsport/ZR1. When you saw a Viper of whatever generation it was the real deal. And only a manual. Yes there are suspension and aero variants between the base and ACR-E for example but they all start with the same motor in a six speed manual.
    Totally agree. I've always had Z06 Corvettes and didn't car for the "fake" wide bodies that came out the next year with the base motors. Vipers all had the balls to the walls motors.

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    I’ll get a C8 Z06 unless I can get a C8R
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