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    Tires and Brakes

    I'm gonna be driving my car at Homestead during NVE4. Never had the Viper on any tracks other than drag racing. I've done some SCCA events in the past and lots of karting. I want to replace my tires and brakes for the event. I was thinking R888R's for tires but don't know much about whats available for brakes.

    I was thinking some slotted rotors and some decent pads and a brake fluid change. Not looking to set any lap records. Just explore what the car can do. I definitely don't want to go on the track with the brakes that came from the factory that has 20k miles on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperPete View Post
    I'm gonna be driving my car at Homestead during NVE4. Never had the Viper on any tracks other than drag racing. I've done some SCCA events in the past and lots of karting. I want to replace my tires and brakes for the event. I was thinking R888R's for tires but don't know much about whats available for brakes.

    I was thinking some slotted rotors and some decent pads and a brake fluid change. Not looking to set any lap records. Just explore what the car can do. I definitely don't want to go on the track with the brakes that came from the factory that has 20k miles on them.
    Thanks for your advice.
    If this is your first time on track with the Viper, stock pads will be just fine. If you have a lot of track experience in other high HP cars then I would use Raybestos R45s in front and R43s in rear. They need to be properly bedded in though. (10 hard stops from 60-10mph, drive 20 minutes without hitting brakes too much, then 10 stops 100-10mph, then drive another 20 minutes. Smoke from the brakes is normal.)

    I would change the brake fluid to either Motul 600 or Castrol. Motul is cheaper by a lot but most people say that the Castrol stuff is better. I change the fluid often enough that I don't worry about the slight advantage that Castrol may offer, I use Motul. From all indications the R888R tires should be great. To properly flush the system you need a dealer computer to activate the ABS system. Mine has been bled enough that I typically don't worry about that although I usually do have the dealer flush it once a year or so with the computer.
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    Pete, these cars are built to run at the track all day. There's no need whatsoever to change anything about your brakes, as long as you have enough meat in the pads. Twenty thousand miles is nothing.
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    I'd start by getting some initial track seat time in your Viper before heading to Homestead to explore what the car can do. I'm thinking the type of rotor might not be the limiting factor here
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    Pete, I have a lot of track time in various race cars, supercars, and shifter karts and I was fine on stock P-Zeros and stock brake pads the first time I tracked my Gen V. I would advise against using a sticky tire like the R888Rs. I found that the stock P-Zeros were more than enough for me to explore the limits of the car and get comfortable at the limit before moving onto a stickier tire. I have slotted 2 pieces from the factory so I can't speak to how the solid rotors will hold up but it really depends on your experience and how hard you're pushing.

    In any case, if it's your first time tracking a Viper, I think you're perfectly ok with the stock pads and tires and I think it is actually more beneficial for getting to know the car and the limits.
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    I'm going to stray from the popular opinion and say you should definitely swap out pads. I easily faded my stock pads the first and only time I went out on them. That day I had R888s and freshly bled Motul in the system. The pads were the weakest link.

    So my recommendation for first time out would be R888Rs, Raybestos ST43, and Castrol SRF (or Motul). I doubt there's any need to worry about the rotors, though. Worst case if you do all this is that it was overkill and you didn't need that much headroom.
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    Good to know al this, although I've been known to push my car a bit (TOD #Bat $h!t crazy group) and pulled 1.5 g's going up there on my car I haven't done much track events other than a couple autocrosses and drag racing, I still have stock pads and rotors and was going with TA pads and rotors( already home) but checked my pads and are about 60 -70% left and rotors even though one piece look pretty good so I decided to keep the originals for NVE4, we'll see how much abuse they can take.
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    Total of 27k miles driving plus track days before i suffered some bad brake fade/stopping loss.

    Just an FYI, OEM Rotors are non-existent as pads at this point. If you want two piece I believe there are still national inventory of them but at $800 a pop you might as well go to stop-tech directly. I literally got replacement fronts for like $300 bucks (pads+Rotors) through RockAuto for my steel 1 pc's. OEM was $500 and discount put at $400 but had to wait 6+ months apparently for them. I did a track day on my Rockauto Rebeyesto / Powerstop combo and felt no difference on the track. Eventually I'll pony up and go big brake kit when I drop the dollars for H&C.

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    @ViperPete If your existing brake pad thickness is 50% or below, change them. ST43 are great pads for their thermal capacity and cost. Replace brake fluid with Motul or Castrol with a full bleed. As for tires, if the existing tires have enough rubber with no signs of cracking use them. If it was me, if the tire age is over 4 years, I would not risk the time you invested in the trip and change them.

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    Do not use your stock pads, period.

    It takes 2 laps to fade the stock pad.

    Castrol SRF over Motul 600. You are tracking a 645 hp Viper. Buy the best brake fluid around. It’s superior to Motul 600.

    Go with a ST43 rear/ST 47 front setup from Raybestos or XP10 rear/XP20 front from Carbotech.

    I went 3-4 track days with a stock pad and I might as well spent the money by throwing it into my fireplace.

    There’s nothing more miserable braking 3x earlier than you should have to on track. It’s self defeating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larryskillzs View Post
    Do not use your stock pads, period.

    It takes 2 laps to fade the stock pad.

    Castrol SRF over Motul 600. You are tracking a 645 hp Viper. Buy the best brake fluid around. It’s superior to Motul 600.

    Go with a ST43 rear/ST 47 front setup from Raybestos or XP10 rear/XP20 front from Carbotech.

    I went 3-4 track days with a stock pad and I might as well spent the money by throwing it into my fireplace.

    There’s nothing more miserable braking 3x earlier than you should have to on track. It’s self defeating.
    I suspect with little to no track experience he will be braking early anyway. I ran stock pads on my GTS at the VOA Vegas event (and I have 20+ years of tracking) and never felt the pads fade. The track guy yelled at some of us for being too aggressive. We were in the Red group and told him he and the track workers didn't know what they were talking about. Corner workers were waving yellow and red flags together, and other combinations that didn't make any sense. I hope the Miami corner workers will be better trained. By the way, my GTS had 15000 miles on the brakes and tires at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larryskillzs View Post
    Do not use your stock pads, period.

    It takes 2 laps to fade the stock pad.

    Castrol SRF over Motul 600. You are tracking a 645 hp Viper. Buy the best brake fluid around. It’s superior to Motul 600.

    Go with a ST43 rear/ST 47 front setup from Raybestos or XP10 rear/XP20 front from Carbotech.

    I went 3-4 track days with a stock pad and I might as well spent the money by throwing it into my fireplace.

    There’s nothing more miserable braking 3x earlier than you should have to on track. It’s self defeating.
    I had nearly the same experience, except i had motul 600 and had brake fade by the middle of my 2nd session at laguna seca (2017). For me it was the shitty tire and brake pads weren't up to snuff. The remaining 3 other sessions i was worried id end up in the sand. pzeros are also crap too, anyone that says their okay must be driving super slow. I dont give a damn if you've driven shifter karts, I have driven shifter karts too (85cc, 125cc stock moto and 125cc ICC class) on a road course in sonoma and laguna seca. It doesnt mean shit compared to these cars on street tires weighing over 3500+lbs with a driver. LOL

    Anyways, tires first, then upgrade brake fluid and pads for sure. My pzero grips were only from 2013 (did track day in 2017) and the bead breaking machine that breaks the bead at the tire place broke all 4 side walls trying to remove them. I wanted to resell the junk tires for someone that just needed a set for mounting.

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    Castrol SRF and you'll be fine on the stock pads imo. You'd have to be extremely fast and on super sticky tires to fade them. In 2013 the magazines ran some very fast lap times in these cars with stock pads, including Laguna Seca. Don't show up to any track event without fresh brand new brake fluid.
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    I have two sets of factory TA two piece rotors available $1600 + shipping for the complete set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Special Ed View Post
    I have two sets of factory TA two piece rotors available $1600 + shipping for the complete set.
    ViperPete, if you really are worried about it and want piece of mine this is the way to go if they work with the factory calipers you have
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    I'm hearing Castrol SRF is out of stock world-wide and they don't know when it will be available again. Anybody tried to buy any lately. It's too bad AP Racing doesn't make a brake package for the Gen V. I just got a set for my "try to keep up with Cable - if you can't out-power him try to out-brake him" car. Nice looking pieces.

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    @pappy I tried to convince Essex Parts (AP Racing partner) to build a Gen V T/A and ACR-E package a couple years back. While they expressed interest, we could not locate a ACR owner in the North Carolina area to leave their vehicle there to build a set. If we can get enough parties interested and an ACR-E owner to leave their vehicle there, I can reach out to them again to revisit the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pappy View Post
    I'm hearing Castrol SRF is out of stock world-wide and they don't know when it will be available again. Anybody tried to buy any lately. It's too bad AP Racing doesn't make a brake package for the Gen V. I just got a set for my "try to keep up with Cable - if you can't out-power him try to out-brake him" car. Nice looking pieces.

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    I have tracked a Gen V with 20k on it may 20 track days with stock pads, factory 2 piece rotors on hoosiers. But I did change the brake fluid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pappy View Post
    I'm hearing Castrol SRF is out of stock world-wide and they don't know when it will be available again. Anybody tried to buy any lately. It's too bad AP Racing doesn't make a brake package for the Gen V. I just got a set for my "try to keep up with Cable - if you can't out-power him try to out-brake him" car. Nice looking pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCVIPER View Post
    I've got just the rotor's on mine, and so far they're working great!!

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    You can get AP Racing J-hook rotors here: https://www.essexparts.com/my-vehicl...er/SRT%20Viper

    And as others have said Raybestos ST43 rear/ST 47 front with Castrol SRF fluid. If you are having trouble finding the Castrol SRF, get Endless RF650 or Brembo HTC 64T. You can skip Motul for brake fluid.

    I would also recommend stainless steel brake lines: https://tkomotorsports.com/product/3...eat-shielding/

    In addition brakes, I would switch to a heavier weight oil like Redline 15w50 or Motul 300V 15w50 and some Baer (ARP) wheel studs with forged steel lug nuts: https://www.jegs.com/i/Baer-Brake/136/6280011/10002/-1

    I would definitely recommend the R888R for the track. However, since its your first time taking your Viper to the track, I would initially stick to the stock tires as the R888R's may hide your mistakes.

    Good luck!
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    What He Said...... YOUR CURRENT LIMITS are lower than the car's, as-is. You'll be taking it easy, not racing.

    Generally, Sticky tires require upgraded pads for intermediate-advanced track use.....

    Novice? Not so much....


    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan Savage View Post
    Pete, these cars are built to run at the track all day. There's no need whatsoever to change anything about your brakes, as long as you have enough meat in the pads. Twenty thousand miles is nothing.
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    PartsRack has 2pc, slotted, Track-Pack, lightweight, Aero-rotors on sale, $1595 ALL FOUR. Same rotor that helped set 11+ Viper track records in USA and abroad....

    This was an OE Factory Option rotor in G4-5, also fits G3. MSRP over $3400!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubeman View Post
    Total of 27k miles driving plus track days before i suffered some bad brake fade/stopping loss.

    Just an FYI, OEM Rotors are non-existent as pads at this point. If you want two piece I believe there are still national inventory of them but at $800 a pop you might as well go to stop-tech directly. I literally got replacement fronts for like $300 bucks (pads+Rotors) through RockAuto for my steel 1 pc's. OEM was $500 and discount put at $400 but had to wait 6+ months apparently for them. I did a track day on my Rockauto Rebeyesto / Powerstop combo and felt no difference on the track. Eventually I'll pony up and go big brake kit when I drop the dollars for H&C.
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