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    Final Edition ACR

    How Collectible is a 2002 Final Edition ACR? I prefer the BBS Wheels on the AVR and the White on Red combo. Are they worth holding onto? All Viper are IMO, but how rare is the Final Edition ACR? What sets it apart from the rest?

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    You don't see them very often. I think maybe only 30 were made? Not 100% sure. Time will only tell as to how collectable they are...
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    $114,800
    https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/a...edition/841847

    The 360 were a marketing effort to complete the 2002 built-out.

    Red with White stripes is gorgeous!

    34 were made of the 159 for the year or 21.4% of the 2002 build of ACRS

    34 of the color combo of the total of 819 or 4.2% of all ACRS. This is 5th rarest of all ACR color combinations.

    The general accepted collectability order is:

    1. GT2
    2. ACR
    3. 1996

    Within ACR by year
    1. 99 and 215 produced (More mono)
    2. 02 and 159 produced (More stripes)
    3. 01 and 227 produced (More stripes)
    4. 00 and 218 produced(More stripes)

    48.4% mono & 51.6% with stripes

    Lowest produced ACR by color
    1. 01 Graphite RT10 ACR 1 of 1
    2. 02 Blue w/ Silver ACR 1 of 1
    3. 99 (?) Tri-Color ACR 1 of 1
    4. 02 Graphite 2.1%
    5. 02 Graphite w/ silver 2.7%
    6. 01 Sapphire 3.4%
    7. 99 Silver w/ Blue 3.7%

    Highest produced ACR by Color
    1. 99-02 Red 14.2%
    2. 99-02 Red w/ silver 10.4%
    3. 99-00 Black 11.4%
    4. 99-00 Black w/silver 9.6%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viperenvy View Post
    $114,800
    https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/a...edition/841847

    The 360 were a marketing effort to complete the 2002 built-out.

    Red with White stripes is gorgeous!

    34 were made of the 159 for the year or 21.4% of the 2002 build of ACRS

    34 of the color combo of the total of 819 or 4.2% of all ACRS. This is 5th rarest of all ACR color combinations.

    The general accepted collectability order is:

    1. GT2
    2. ACR
    3. 1996

    Within ACR by year
    1. 99 and 215 produced (More mono)
    2. 02 and 159 produced (More stripes)
    3. 01 and 227 produced (More stripes)
    4. 00 and 218 produced(More stripes)

    48.4% mono & 51.6% with stripes

    Lowest produced ACR by color
    1. 01 Graphite RT10 ACR 1 of 1
    2. 02 Blue w/ Silver ACR 1 of 1
    3. 99 (?) Tri-Color ACR 1 of 1
    4. 02 Graphite 2.1%
    5. 02 Graphite w/ silver 2.7%
    6. 01 Sapphire 3.4%
    7. 99 Silver w/ Blue 3.7%

    Highest produced ACR by Color
    1. 99-02 Red 14.2%
    2. 99-02 Red w/ silver 10.4%
    3. 99-00 Black 11.4%
    4. 99-00 Black w/silver 9.6%
    Brian I like your list, however I have to disagree with your ACR breakdown. In terms of the ACR option itself. The most desirable years would be 99-mid year 2000. Both of these years, used the Koni 2812 shock package and Hyperco springs which were a far better arrangement than the later Dynamic shocks with the over sprung rear spring set up. If you happen to prefer a year based on other factors that’s fine, however as far as the ACR package is concerned there is no debate on the preferred factory set up.

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    That is a valid argument on the shocks. Since 99's were produced into September, I would assume 00 production started in October of 1999. As I understand it, the Dynamics were installed starting January of 2000. If any of this is correct, then the vast majority of 2000 ACR's have the Dynamics.

    I have heard track guys love the Koni's, but non-track drivers complained about the rattle. I certainly have not heard a rattle. I heard track guys immediately replaced the Dynamics because they gained a reputation of poor reliability. Also, I was told set-up of the shock the ACR increased spring rates was a poor match. Once again, I was told this caused "bouncing" or instability issues on the track. The Koni's are definitely preferred.

    Additionally, how would you the rate the new hypereutectic engine internals as a factor? Anecdotally, most people rate this engine (2000, 2001, 2002) lower than the 1999.

    The other factor, how would you rate the addition of ABS? Anecdotally, people that believe ABS is important to assist their driving skill seem to prefer 2001 & 2002 ACR's.

    The result for the 2000 ACR's is less desirable engine(maybe more myth than fact), does not have ABS, and only 25% - maybe - have Koni's. If any of this is true, then the entire 2000 model year falls below the other three model years.

    But you are correct, Koni's are the preference! The ride difference between a 98 GTS and a 99 ACR is significant.

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    Brian I believe the changeover date was closer to March of 2000. If I'm not mistaken my car has a late January build date and has the Koni's. You are certainly correct, depending on your preferences for other factors, you may prefer a different year. It's funny, I remember back in the day the non ABS guys would rail the ABS guys as being bad drivers because they needed ABS, silly stuff. As far as the later model non forged motors go, I actually prefer the later motors. The 2000 up motors feature a longer rod, with a lighter piston package and closer tolerances. Certainly the way to go for a N/A application. If you're going blown then by all means the 99' is the better choice, if for no other reason than the 708 cam. Anyway, lots of choices, really depends on what matters most to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camfab View Post
    Brian I believe the changeover date was closer to March of 2000. If I'm not mistaken my car has a late January build date and has the Koni's. You are certainly correct, depending on your preferences for other factors, you may prefer a different year. It's funny, I remember back in the day the non ABS guys would rail the ABS guys as being bad drivers because they needed ABS, silly stuff. As far as the later model non forged motors go, I actually prefer the later motors. The 2000 up motors feature a longer rod, with a lighter piston package and closer tolerances. Certainly the way to go for a N/A application. If you're going blown then by all means the 99' is the better choice, if for no other reason than the 708 cam. Anyway, lots of choices, really depends on what matters most to you.
    That is interesting. Who has a 2000 ACR built in February, March, April that can help use here?

    I have heard from a number of sources that the new internals were effective in increasing horsepower beyond stated. It was kept under wraps so track sanctioning bodies would not penalize the Viper. However, club members touring the plant were told this during initial tours during the 2000 model year start of production. Someone in Viper found out and the plant was given a "gag order" on engine discussions. Not sure of the validity of what I just articulated, but did hear from multiple people.

    The placement of the 2000s is based on all the comments and chatted I see on social media. Certainly does not mean the vehicle is not capable, just a potentially unearned reputation that is perpetuated by those that may not have a complete picture. Still all in on the Konis.....

    Time for other Gen II ACR owners out there to chime in.......
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    """The general accepted collectability order is:

    1. GT2
    2. ACR
    3. 1996 ""


    Not So Fast There Skippy !

    I think most collectors would prefer a pristine 1996 GTS to any G2 ACR [or perhaps even G4 ACR?] As the decades go forward, even more true.... 96 GTS wins.


    As far as G2 ACR coilovers..... I disliked my new 01 ACR so much that I bitched to TeamV on several occasions. They actually had a AZ Proving Grounds engineer come to Portland / PIR to see for himself. {That a Team!} The yound engineer who got 'blamed' for the badly-oversprung ACR ended up staying with Daimler.

    The 2000.5 - 2002 Dynamics would not allow the adjustable valving to work! Too Stiff. Was decent on nice, smoothe race tracks, at high speeds, but TERRIBLE on washboard or rough public roads. { I felt somewhat dangerous.} So I went to Hyperco and got NEW springs made, [and sold my re-spring kit to over 100 ACR owners ..so far!] Same color springs, same Mfr. Looks stock. Frees up valving to work. No skittering on rough corners. But DSIs are doomed to leak and fail, must be expensively rebuilt.


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    I am not so sure the 96 GTS will win in collectibility over the right pristine ACR like a one of nine 99 ACR without AC or radio that would be the holy grail of Gen II Vipers aside a 98 GTSR of course
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    The 96/97 Blue/White Snakes have stayed strong because they epitomize to many the legendary birth of the GTS , so there is likely a bit more umph for the average Viper buyer. Now for someone looking for the rare ACR, the 9 ACRs with no AC/Radio is actually only 8 in the US. We built had one ordered and built for a customer in Arizona ( black of all things ) and it went to Australia some years back , so have to figure 8 as the number for all practical purposes now.

    For years and years the ACR brought no more money on the market than a GTS , because everyone knew the shocks issue and so most factored in replacement because besides riding like a porpoise down the road or track , they all succumbed to leaking. The Konis were great and we just had to many non track guys whining as the track rats loved them.

    With the advent of the Gen IV one the Gen V ACRs, the originals have had a rebirth. All that said , I agree with Jonny the B, a 96 GTS will stand a bit taller in my estimation also.
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    The one down-under may have been totaled.
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    I like the ACR for the BBS wheels and hood vents. I’d want AC because I live in Houston and non AC cars suck balls in the summer. The FE has IMO the best paint. Thanks for all the information. 24 FE ACRs, maybe I can find one.

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    I like the ACR for the BBS wheels and hood vents.
    Hood Vents?

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    yeah...above the wheels, whatever they are called...lets high pressure air out of the wheel tubs I think

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    The Blue and White striped 1996/97 cars always seem to be the ones people want in Europe.

    We do have for sale a 2002 FE in England but its not an ACR
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    yeah...above the wheels, whatever they are called...lets high pressure air out of the wheel tubs I think
    Ok, yeah ... the vents/louvers are not ACR specific thought the BBS wheels are.

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    Check out Ebay rigbt now. 1999 ACR Non-comfort group car. 1 of the 9, silver with blue stripes. Owner added a stereo but I believe still has block off plate.

    Not my car, but one of the unicorns is actually for sale... only the 2nd one I've seen up for grabs the last few years.

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    Subscribed to this thread, lots of useful information I did not previously know. The Gen II ACR is another dream of mine (next to a Gen V TA).

    @Viperenvy: do you happen to have a list with your percentage stats for the ACRs you'd share?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BFoster View Post
    Check out Ebay rigbt now. 1999 ACR Non-comfort group car. 1 of the 9, silver with blue stripes. Owner added a stereo but I believe still has block off plate.

    Not my car, but one of the unicorns is actually for sale... only the 2nd one I've seen up for grabs the last few years.
    The Viper ACR is as bought from the previous owner. Currently with the 6th owner. I looked at this Viper on May 31st, 2017 when it was with owner 5 in NC. If you are seriously interested, then PM me and I will share some information.
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    Not sure any other car whose buyers pay a premium for a color over a performance variant, especially considering I think blue and white was like one of the most produced combos. It is beautiful combo though. Like stated above from the folks who know the market for ACRs are coming around. Some recent BAT auctions saw
    96 B/W with delivery miles bid to 82.5
    96 B/W orig owner with 9k miles sold for 46
    01 ACR sapphire non orig stripes comfort car bid to 53.
    But just for reality sake a stupid 15k mile 1974 Blazer sold for 85k so go figure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viperenvy View Post
    The Viper ACR is as bought from the previous owner. Currently with the 6th owner. I looked at this Viper on May 31st, 2017 when it was with owner 5 in NC. If you are seriously interested, then PM me and I will share some information.
    No AC on that car? In Houston AC is a must.

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    I have Final Edition GTS with ACR package, #229. In FL having A/C is a must if driving it the summer. Have original Dynamic Suspension with stock springs, in FL it is no problem we have excellent roads here. It drives better with the stock suspension the faster you go. I have bought all the used dynamics I could find on ebay have four extra front assemblies and six for the rear as I believe the car is collectable and the dynamics will be hard to find in future. Carl Haas rebuilds them for $200 each or so which includes new schrader valve for the nitrogen. He now has option for improved piston with the rebuild BTW.


 

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