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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawineer View Post
    Same widths?
    Yes. Gen 5 tire sizes on Gen 3 wheels.

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    PZero PZ4 were not the OEM Pzeros, the regular Pzero is an old design. Tire rack has tests of them all the way back to at least 2007. Good riddance to them, they needed to be taken out to pasture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTS Dean View Post
    If the belt package on the Conti's is anything like the ones on my wife's Cayenne GTS, everyone with them had better be SUPER CAREFUL about road hazards! The OE Michelins never had a flat that I can recall. But the Conti's are just mind-boggling in their lack of resistance to screws, nails and other misc. road debris. In about a year and a half, she's had 3 tires ruined from punctures, and 2 more that were patched. It's at Tire Rack right now waiting on a replacement tire Monday.
    I have nothing but the highest opinion of Michelin tires except initial cost.
    Hmmmm.
    Friend of mine had that same experience (nailed his tires) with the Michelins on his Shelby GT350. I think they were cup2's but not certain. He went thru 3 tires in a very short period of time.

    I Haven't had any such experience with the Conti ExtremeContact Sports on the Porsche ..at all. They've been fantastic in the canyon, mountain roads and streets of San Diego regardless of weather conditions. Only once have they gotten a little greasy. But that was after ripping up the twisties for 2 hours straight (keeping pace with a 2021 CarreraS in front and a 2022 Carrera GTS in back!) and the outside temps getting ~90 degrees. N' that situation was instantly communicated by the Conti's. Probably saved me from having a REALLY bad day. Feedback of comms with the road is GREAT with the Conti's.

    Quote Originally Posted by SRT_BluByU View Post
    If I had to choose and the Pirellis are unavailable id go PS4S over Conti
    Plenty of Porsche track rats have complained the PS4S's are too soft and don't feedback enough comms with the road.
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    Tread compound is for wear resistance and grip at a given temperature range. Belt package is puncture resistance and carcass stability behind the tread. If the steel belts they use won't stop penetration, we might as well go back to using Polyglass belts like it was the '70s again. At least the tires would be lighter.

    I'll check what model the tires are when we get her car back tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by viperBase1 View Post
    Plenty of Porsche track rats have complained the PS4S's are too soft and don't feedback enough comms with the road.
    maybe so.. but the dynamics and force/weight distribution of a P-Car and Viper are quite different..

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    michelin PS4S are about the same price as Contis ECS on tirerack. I'll always pretty much chose michelins if the alternative is the same price
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    Seems like all the leading one lap of america teams choose the PS4S.. might be a bit if a hint there..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRT_BluByU View Post
    Seems like all the leading one lap of america teams choose the PS4S.. might be a bit if a hint there..
    Did those teams actually buy them, or were they provided?
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    edit - my bad.. that was an old results listing from 2019.. looked to quick. but teams have to buy tires directly rom Tirerack and they are branded to make sure no changes..

    http://www.onelapofamerica.com/histo....do?eventId=39

    don't see tires listed in the 2022 results

    http://www.onelapofamerica.com/Home.do
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    Quote Originally Posted by SRT_BluByU View Post
    maybe so.. but the dynamics and force/weight distribution of a P-Car and Viper are quite different..

    Quote Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen View Post
    michelin PS4S are about the same price as Contis ECS on tirerack. I'll always pretty much chose michelins if the alternative is the same price
    Quote Originally Posted by SRT_BluByU View Post
    Seems like all the leadingone lap of america teams choose the PS4S.. might be a bit if a hint there..
    I hear what y'all are sayin'.

    But my Viper is 3200lbs and the Porsche is 3000lbs and in many ways, I think they handle a lot alike.
    The Viper has the unique combo of massive torque and massive grip across the power band and can get to the limits WAY faster.

    Cool that right now we seem to have the ContiECS, MichyPS4S, MichyCup2, ToyoR888r and maybe just maybe the ContiForce available. Can even get PZero's and NittoInvo's.
    Good times.
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    R888R still an option too, but I've not heard much good feedback about them recently

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTS Dean View Post
    If the belt package on the Conti's is anything like the ones on my wife's Cayenne GTS, everyone with them had better be SUPER CAREFUL about road hazards! The OE Michelins never had a flat that I can recall. But the Conti's are just mind-boggling in their lack of resistance to screws, nails and other misc. road debris. In about a year and a half, she's had 3 tires ruined from punctures, and 2 more that were patched. It's at Tire Rack right now waiting on a replacement tire Monday.

    I have nothing but the highest opinion of Michelin tires except initial cost.
    Hmmm, I hope you didn't just jinx me....I put the Conti ExtremeContact DWS06 in XL load range on my wife's Range Rover Sport about 3-4 years ago as her daily driver. Thankfully no issues or flats. I liked them so much I just installed a set of oversized E load range Continental Terrain Contact HT's on my Range Rover that has a lift kit. This tire has been incredible in its ride comfort and silence. I like them so much that I'm going to put them on my F-350 tow rig.

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    Just drove about 70 miles on some new tires. Continental Extreme Contact Sport in the factory sizes. Wasn't able to really do too much yet but the grip vs the PZeros is much improved. Granted, the PZeros were original to the car so 9 years old. They also seem to be quite quiet which is a major plus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrokerAce View Post
    Just drove about 70 miles on some new tires. Continental Extreme Contact Sport in the factory sizes. Wasn't able to really do too much yet but the grip vs the PZeros is much improved. Granted, the PZeros were original to the car so 9 years old. They also seem to be quite quiet which is a major plus.
    Yea I noticed the overall ride quality was greatly improved. I’ve got a stone section leaving my neighborhood and it felt completely different. For a street tire, something I appreciate

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    yup now can see how bad pirelli pzeros were, they are bad even new. Universally hated by everyone on the 15-17 Mustang GT performance package which they later changed to have pilot sport 4S. That was my first experience with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen View Post
    yup now can see how bad pirelli pzeros were, they are bad even new. Universally hated by everyone on the 15-17 Mustang GT performance package which they later changed to have pilot sport 4S. That was my first experience with them.
    I love mine. Good street manners, plenty of grip, did well at the track for a street tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen View Post
    yup now can see how bad pirelli pzeros were, they are bad even new. Universally hated by everyone on the 15-17 Mustang GT performance package which they later changed to have pilot sport 4S. That was my first experience with them.
    The only thing I’ve found Pirelli is good for is making the odd sizes that nobody else does.

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    I like their motorcycle tires. lol Probably my top three for sport bike tires. Continental and Metzler also come to mind. Been a few years though.
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    Im seeing on tirerack that Cup 240 Connects are now available in stock, and the Contis will be in stock July 1st (who knows if thats true)

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