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    Just did a rebuild (gen 3, modified) and about to do another one for my 2nd engine (stock) and locally in Canada it's between 10k and 20k usd parts & labor. Of course, if the crank is good/useable, if not add 3-7k.

    Also, couldnt find a proper used gen3 motor for less than 10-12k. Can't imagine a used gen 5 motor for less than 15-25k, especially these days of backorder-everything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    May as well just go with it - $20k isn't the end of the world. I had to get my sewer line replaced from the house to the street, and it was $40k. Didn't get any joy out of that afterwards - I'd be happy to just turd in the woods rather than pay $40k for the joy of being able to use indoor plumbing. But, that vote didn't go in my favor.

    If you can do a 9L, or even just their base rebuild, you'll be happy with it.
    The issue is, I'm already 15k into the car since December with nothing to show for it (35 after the rebuild). I haven't been able to enjoy the car since problems seem to arise shortly after she's out of the shop
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    The issue is, I'm already 15k into the car since December with nothing to show for it (35 after the rebuild). I haven't been able to enjoy the car since problems seem to arise shortly after she's out of the shop
    The blown engine is a sunk cost- either in hard cost or resale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawineer View Post
    The blown engine is a sunk cost- either in hard cost or resale.
    Yes, but then my losses are cut

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    Exactly why I’m glad I just purchased a 5 year bumper to bumper warranty on my 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZTVR View Post
    I am pretty confident in my list of known and probable Vipers used by the Bonduraunt school. None are 2015 Vipers.
    Agree. Based on my tenure as Plant Manager @ CAAP (late 2015 to all of 2016) the "Bondurant cars" were built during my time at the plant. They were all 2016's by my memory.
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    If anyone knows anyone who is looking to buy, let me know. After this, the car shouldn't need anything.

    Clutch 1k miles ago
    Tires 4.5k k miles ago
    Pads 8k miles ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    The issue is, I'm already 15k into the car since December with nothing to show for it (35 after the rebuild). I haven't been able to enjoy the car since problems seem to arise shortly after she's out of the shop
    I get it and I understand. I'd contact Calvo...see if they're interested in assessing the situation, doing a thorough inspection, etc. and their rebuild service. You don't have to get a 9L, etc. but when it leaves their shop then you'll have peace of mind and will be able to enjoy it.
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    Tracking a Gen V wouldn't have caused any of these problems I don't think, mostly just tires, pads and rotors. Inadequate maintenance, oil level and owner abuse would. Bondurant Vipers were maintained well by all accounts and have probably been quite reliable. Does anyone know how the Bondurant Vipers are holding up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperTony View Post
    I get it and I understand. I'd contact Calvo...see if they're interested in assessing the situation, doing a thorough inspection, etc. and their rebuild service. You don't have to get a 9L, etc. but when it leaves their shop then you'll have peace of mind and will be able to enjoy it.
    It's heading over to prefix, so it should be fine. At current trade in, I'll be looking at a 60k loss in under a year. Smh

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    I remember I thought you said you got a PPI on the car before you purchased it. Is there no recourse there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BSLSK View Post
    I remember I thought you said you got a PPI on the car before you purchased it. Is there no recourse there?
    No clue. They missed the tires on the PPI, wouldn't be surprised if the dealer slid them some extra cash.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    If anyone knows anyone who is looking to buy, let me know. After this, the car shouldn't need anything.

    Clutch 1k miles ago
    Tires 4.5k k miles ago
    Pads 8k miles ago.
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    Of that really only the clutch, pads, bearings have been previous owner issues.. the rest was for fun or just normal wear and tear…

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce H. View Post
    Tracking a Gen V wouldn't have caused any of these problems I don't think, mostly just tires, pads and rotors. Inadequate maintenance, oil level and owner abuse would. Bondurant Vipers were maintained well by all accounts and have probably been quite reliable. Does anyone know how the Bondurant Vipers are holding up?
    Agree completely..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRT_BluByU View Post
    Of that really only the clutch, pads, bearings have been previous owner issues.. the rest was for fun or just normal wear and tear…


    Agree completely..
    The mods came with the car, except the dongle.
    They're adamant about shipping the engine off to prefix and I don't know enough to fight em on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce H. View Post
    Tracking a Gen V wouldn't have caused any of these problems I don't think, mostly just tires, pads and rotors. Inadequate maintenance, oil level and owner abuse would. Bondurant Vipers were maintained well by all accounts and have probably been quite reliable. Does anyone know how the Bondurant Vipers are holding up?

    Eh, tracking a car enough will definitely accelerate wear on the engine. Getting 100-120 hours out of a tracked engine is really good. That's about 7,000 highway miles.
    My BRZ engine is about that and it's smoking and pretty tired. It's also not an 8.4L V10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    They're adamant about shipping the engine off to prefix and I don't know enough to fight em on it
    Any thoughts on just sending the car to prefix and let them do the entire job? At that point you can be confident the entire process, engine removal, rebuild, install and final road test was done right. If for some reason you do have a problem you only have one shop to deal with and avoid the finger pointing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian E View Post
    Any thoughts on just sending the car to prefix and let them do the entire job? At that point you can be confident the entire process, engine removal, rebuild, install and final road test was done right. If for some reason you do have a problem you only have one shop to deal with and avoid the finger pointing.
    For some reason I was thinking prefix was in Tomball, the shipping alone would be 4-5k roundtrip

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawineer View Post
    Getting 100-120 hours out of a tracked engine is really good.
    GTFO...that's practically defined as the recommended break-in on a Viper, lol!

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    Mikey, bad luck bro! I feel your anxiety!
    I had my gen 2 engine rebuilt by Prefix a couple years ago. Somehow water got into the crankcase: they could only assume from the timing cover gasket down by the oil pan is where it leaked. Anyway, they did a great job. Just a rebuild with new cam and springs, gaskets, hot tank, etc. Prefix rebuilt it, sent back to Mark J and crew and installed. Cost; parts & labor: ~ 17K. They even sent a “report” of specs and dyno runs. My car runs great!!!
    I totally understand your feelings to want to sell….at least at present date…, but you may change your mind once you get it back. Shit happens, man. Sorry bro.

    Let Prefix do it: have peace of mind.

    Wishing the best for ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper98 View Post
    Mikey, bad luck bro! I feel your anxiety!
    I had my gen 2 engine rebuilt by Prefix a couple years ago. Somehow water got into the crankcase: they could only assume from the timing cover gasket down by the oil pan is where it leaked. Anyway, they did a great job. Just a rebuild with new cam and springs, gaskets, hot tank, etc. Prefix rebuilt it, sent back to Mark J and crew and installed. Cost; parts & labor: ~ 17K. They even sent a “report” of specs and dyno runs. My car runs great!!!
    I totally understand your feelings to want to sell….at least at present date…, but you may change your mind once you get it back. Shit happens, man. Sorry bro.

    Let Prefix do it: have peace of mind.

    Wishing the best for ya
    Thanks boss, apparently an ACR is at the shop as well with a blown motor, so mine will get shipped out after his. I wouldn't be AS upset if these things didn't all happen within the first 6 months of ownership. I'm glad yours is back up to speed, I heard they tune the engine and everything so I don't need to break it in

    I probably just need time to cool off, the car is the only thing I splurge on so I definitely wouldn't be happy with just a corolla in the garage

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    send the whole car to Prefix if you're going full rebuild including R&R engine.. they're awesome to work with.

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    This is a tough one - I've been following, and I'd be in a bad place if this were my car. The emotional thing to do would be to just get it fixed and get it on the road again. I'd likely go that route...

    The "logical" thing to do would be to see what all the parts are worth and then make a financial decision. With no parts available anywhere, a donor car might be worth more than the whole car. I hate to say that because it goes against everything I believe in, but in this marketplace, with parts at such a scarcity, the melt value of our cars is more than their face value nowadays. When you think about all the good (and scarce) parts there are, it might just be worth looking at, and then find a clean car to replace it with. Again, disregard if this is a stupid comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    This is a tough one - I've been following, and I'd be in a bad place if this were my car. The emotional thing to do would be to just get it fixed and get it on the road again. I'd likely go that route...

    The "logical" thing to do would be to see what all the parts are worth and then make a financial decision. With no parts available anywhere, a donor car might be worth more than the whole car. I hate to say that because it goes against everything I believe in, but in this marketplace, with parts at such a scarcity, the melt value of our cars is more than their face value nowadays. When you think about all the good (and scarce) parts there are, it might just be worth looking at, and then find a clean car to replace it with. Again, disregard if this is a stupid comment.
    I'm still on the fence. It's one thing to spend 35k to track, upgrade, etc, but 35k just to have it sit at the shop is another

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    LS swap?


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    Quote Originally Posted by StrokerAce View Post
    LS swap?


    Don't shoot me. Just a joke.
    This is what I'm looking at right now

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